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Petrol Diesel Ban 2040 - How Will It Affect The Classic Car Owners?


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Should we be concerned?

2040 is a fair way away, and I'll be 60. But if petrol & diesel is banned could there be a possibility of turning all classic cars into show pieces no allowed on public roads?

 

 



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As I've read it, it is only NEW vehicles from 2040 that it is proposed cannot be petrol/diesel. Existing vehicles will not be banned over night!

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As Tom said it's only new car sales but I did hear they want petrol/diesel cars banned by 2050 which would be very bad news.
Sounding like I'm against new technologies which I'm not but I work in a Renault dealers and they have their range of electric vehicles and if you had one as your only car it would be terrible, the newest Zoe boasts a range of around 120 miles but as with manufacturers MPG figures they are not at all realistic. Imagine going on holiday in an electric vehicle, even if it had twice the range, you couldn't get far without waiting around in a service station for it to charge, not my idea of fun on a holiday. Also the prices of parts on these things is unbelievable and our vehicles seem to spend a lot of time on a recovery truck. Not to mention the final problem, I'm not sure how many vehicles are on our roads but imagine the load on the national grid when everyone gets home from work and sticks it straight on charge.
I'm not sure why we couldn't pursue the hydrogen cell but I guess that will have its own list of draw backs.

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I'm not sure why we couldn't pursue the hydrogen cell but I guess that will have its own list of draw backs.

 

Hmmmmm, Hindenburg springs to mind. 



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I did hear they want petrol/diesel cars banned by 2050 which would be very bad news.

 

That shouldnt be an issue, the world will have melted by 2050 due to the pollution caused by producing that many lithium-ion batteries.



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Hmmmmm, Hindenburg springs to mind.


http://www.computerw...indenburgs.html

I would guess that development of new fuel sources will speed up considerably now that the safety net of remaining with fossil fuels is to be removed. Now....any suggestions of what to do with busses, trains, ships and aeroplanes?

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Hmmmmm, Hindenburg springs to mind. 

Except it wasn't the hydrogen that caused the fire.



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As I've read it, it is only NEW vehicles from 2040 that it is proposed cannot be petrol/diesel. Existing vehicles will not be banned over night!

Cannot be pure petrol/diesel according to what I read.  Petrol & diesel hybrids will still be allowed.



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Agreed hybrids still allowed ,the amount of electricity needed to swap over completely to electric cars would be staggering ,electric will start growing rapidly now but still a tiny market for a few years yet . As with most other things classic cars will be exempt but might be more of an issue getting the fuel as the number of fuel stops dwindles due to the drop in demand !

Although no scrappage scheme was announced and even ruled out  Id expect one before the end of the year for diesels so that all the people that can afford new electric cars and were going to buy anyway can have a little virtual discount of the list price  !!!


Edited by Leslie green, 27 July 2017 - 06:09 PM.


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It could go one of two ways. Like with the smoking ban in public places. I'm not a smoker so its a good thing, but the chipping away of freedom to smoke is eventually going to lead to a outright ban. It might seem like and outrageous statement today but looking back and saying to ban smoking in a public place in the 70s wouldn't have been very popular. Now it seems odd that people were once allowed to smoke in pubs and restaurants.

Or it could work in the favour of classic cars, preserving the history of classics. As long as those who influence these decisions recognise that people with classic motors aren't an threat to the environment.



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Except it wasn't the hydrogen that caused the fire.

No but was the fuel that kept it going.



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So the key is only setting it alight when you want it to burn - just like any other flammable material - petrol, natural gas, etc. 



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I think autonomous vehicles are likely to be a much bigger threat to driving classic cars on the road, it might well get to the point where no insurer will cover anyone to drive manually on the road even if the government don't actually ban it.



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We smashed out 750 miles on Sunday and were (still here) sitting on a beach in the South of France by that evening. It will take while for that sort of range to increase via clean methods.
Saying that there are dedicated tesla charging stations at the channel tunnel and charging points on the french autoroutes.

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Can do 300 miles on rubbish roads in a day in my transit
Will my boss pay me for standing about waiting for van to charge (in the arse end of nowhere)

However I do support cleaner vehicles, I just think its a random year they've dreamed up

What if vehicles start using a synthetic fuel which is not called petrol or diesel? I vote for calling it gentlemens relish

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What like ethanol ?  Made by photosynthesis by algae using atmospheric CO2.  Completely carbon neutral.  No, I'm not making it up. The process exists at small scale.  Just needs scaling up.  And can use the existing fuel distribution network.  And has no "range anxiety" issues.  And a significant number of existing vehicles can be modified to run on it.



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Bring back steam power I say!