1.1 To 1.9

[stealth_pug 0]

hey all, been a while since i was on here but im looking for some advice. I have a 205 which started out as a little 1.1 base model. I then converted it myself to a 1.4 xs but this blew up so then swapped it again for a rallye engine.

 

I have now been offered a rebuilt 309 goodwood GTi engine for £200 including subframe and front suspemsion setup. (subframe and suspension is from a 205)

 

Now i know its not a straight swap as the 1.1 is carb and the Gti is injection but what other problems will I encounter and also is there anyone who has done this conversion before willing to lend some advice.

 

The other issue that I know of is the mounting of the engine but as I have the Gti subframe this will not be a problem and the subframe should fit straight on? Correct me if im wrong.

 

I'm willing to do the work myself and I have quite a good experience since doing the 2 previous swaps.

thanks

[drmo 5]

No problem at all if you have all the wiring, uper mountings, driveshafts,...I recomend upgrading the brakes too.

Edited March 20, 2007 by drmo

[TEKNOPUG 3]

First question: why?

 

Just find a cheap, non running Gti and use that.

[stealth_pug 0]

good, i will be getting the ecu with it so i assume the wiring aswel, and driveshafts and brakes will come off the goodwood aswell.

 

 

I'm doing it because i have a perfectly decent base model shell which I can use. Why spend more money on another car when I already have a good clean shell with no rust. That and it will surprise a few people to see a base model go so well!

[TEKNOPUG 3]

lol - get some Trio badges for it!!

[danpug 1]

What year is the base model? I'm pretty sure you will have problems with the top engine mount unless you have a later base model. I had this problem on my old junior when we put an mi16 in it, we had to weld in a later engine mount base.

[stealth_pug 0]

1992 on a K plate so its one of the last base models, that will be ok shouldn't it?

[Grim.Badger 15]

Afaik you will also need the fuel tank and pump and pipes, plus I'm not sure if base models have the hole in the floor that houses the GTi pump.

The base model rear beam and brakes will also be insufficient for a GTi, and the wheels will probably hit the arches before the bump stops.

Dials should be easy provided you have the full GTi loom.

 

But you probably know all that and more already

[stealth_pug 0]

thanks for the reply dude, i had forgotten about the fuel tank but i remember reading it when i was thinking of the 106 gti conversion so i guess it the same reason being the fuel injection right?

 

Yep i was aware of the rear beam not being adequate lol, will be sorting out a GTi one for that aswel, did you mean the front wheels hitting the arches or rear? If its the front you meant then thats not too big an issue as Gti wings are easy to come accross. Rears could be a problem though, will look into that.

 

Dials aren't really an issue at the moment, just thinking about actually getting it to a running stage at the moment. Plenty of time to think it all up though as im at uni until june, plus I have another car as the runabout this time so i won't be in a hurry to get it done like the last two times!

[danpug 1]

Yep that model should have the correct mount.

[M_R_205 5 1 Cars]

This is a must do project! i had a gti engine in a 1.1 XL it was a piece of cake as the guy i got the engine off gave me the whole loom and all the front subframe shafts shocks etc. if you dont have the full loom id say just fit some carbs, loads easier and you can just use the origional tamk...

 

the best part is when you drop a boyo in his `maxed` saxo or some ponce in a type R, the look on there face is incredible!!

 

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...9f-7261a781b7e5

 

thats what mine was like

Edited March 23, 2007 by M_R_205

[stealth_pug 0]

haha thats wicked. My thoughts exactly, it was already keeping up with Vtr's with the xs engine in but the suspension was still standard! This time im going the full whack with it! Pretty sure il have the original loom so may keep it injection, unless there are some good advantages to using carbs?

 

 

Heres mine as it is at the moment. Have the 1.9 wheels aswell, was thinking of the rallye arches but im tempted just to leave it completely standard looking!

 

May be after some help in the summer when I get cracking with it!

[DaveW 6]

Leave it like that! but make it a gti under the skin

[stealth_pug 0]

yea, think thats whats gonna happen now, seemed a shame to get rid of such a solid shell! then i was offered the engine and front setup so i just though.... why not??

[drmo 5]

wicked Go for it!

[M_R_205 5 1 Cars]

reason for carbs is you dont have the s*it gti injection, i had it and had nowt but greif, if i was you id leave it the way it is, maby put some save the birds or nature type stickers in the back windows to realy confuse upset the type r drivers

 

my new 16valve big valve head and r1 carbs here dunno about power yet as it aint running

 

http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k296/con...augh/new%20car/

Edited April 1, 2007 by M_R_205

[V8Pete 0]

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...9f-7261a781b7e5

 

thats what mine was like

A lot of the pics on the myspace page don't work. Any chance of fixing them, as I'd be interested in seeing the results. I've got a spare unroadworthy 205 GTI and someone's offered me a 1360cc TU-powered 205 with stuffed auto trans for £75.

[M_R_205 5 1 Cars]

A lot of the pics on the myspace page don't work. Any chance of fixing them, as I'd be interested in seeing the results. I've got a spare unroadworthy 205 GTI and someone's offered me a 1360cc TU-powered 205 with stuffed auto trans for £75.

 

 

if you go here, http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k296/con...augh/?start=all you will see most the pics i have of it the ones of the minging engine is before i started spending loads on it (big valve head balanced and lighted bottom) most of the pics are in the `old car` gallery

[willxs 0]

need a gearbox aswell.

[Mad Professor 7]

If you need any help have a look at my conversion page 300+ pic's

http://www.mad-professor.co.uk/Pictures/Turbo%20Conversion/

 

This was me fitting a 1.9 Turbo Technics lump, into my 1988 205 xs.

 

I was also told why bother just get a GTi shell.

 

But tell me how meny other 205 xs are there pushing over 200bhp?

[Casanova 0]

A lot of the pics on the myspace page don't work. Any chance of fixing them, as I'd be interested in seeing the results. I've got a spare unroadworthy 205 GTI and someone's offered me a 1360cc TU-powered 205 with stuffed auto trans for £75.

Really? I thought 205 autos were 1.6 XU engined.

 

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[V8Pete 0]

Really? I thought 205 autos were 1.6 XU engined.

Not this one - well according to the seller anyway. I haven't actually looked to see if it's XU or TU. I've seen 1.9 XU autos too.

 

Does anyone know if there are any pitfalls or things I should know about converting TU auto to XU + BE3?

Edited April 27, 2007 by V8Pete

[Grim.Badger 15]

Yep i was aware of the rear beam not being adequate lol, will be sorting out a GTi one for that aswel, did you mean the front wheels hitting the arches or rear? If its the front you meant then thats not too big an issue as Gti wings are easy to come accross. Rears could be a problem though, will look into that.

 

Rear arches are the problem as on the GTi they are cut much higher. If you are going to use 1.9 GTi alloys I would paint them matt black to keep the sleeper look.

 

Really? I thought 205 autos were 1.6 XU engined.

 

In Europe the Autos were either 1.6 or 1.9 XU depending on the year iirc, the 1.6s had a carb rather than injection; I'm not sure about the 1.9s as I've never seen one. However they may have fitted TU autos in NZ, I'm sure I've heard of TU autos being used somewhere. There shouldn't be any different problems than a usual TU-XU conversion.

[V8Pete 0]

There shouldn't be any different problems than a usual TU-XU conversion.

Is that = fuel pump, subframe, and wiring? I've got a complete GTI donor so I assume it will all bolt up. Is there anything I might have missed?

[M_R_205 5 1 Cars]

dont worry about the rear arches there fine unless u use a 1.9 beam, then a bit of bending will do the trick lol and yes all the 1.9 stuff will bolt up to the base shell.