White Smoke Coming Out Of Engine

[Will Eastman 6]

Hey recently put a pipercross induction kit on my xs, which has been great. However i have noticed white smoke coming out of the oil breather, when the engine is running on tickover. Is this something to be worrying about.

[powermandan 0]

white smoke usually indicates water in the combustion chamber, however since its coming out the breather that would be more likley to mean water in the oil.

 

do TU blocks have wet liners?

 

if the cars been stood for a while it could just be condensation in the crankcase, i figure considering the amount of mayo i get in my XU breather, it too would proberbly smoke/steam if i took the breather off

 

are you using any water?

Edited May 19, 2010 by powermandan

[hothatch 2]

Ide say this is pretty normal. Its probaly just breathing a little heavy check all your oil breather system has no kinks or blockages in it as long as the smoke isn't exxcessive I wouldn't worry to much about it. Could just be a little back pressure as the the rings are probaly a little worn. But as powermandan said check your not losing any water.

[Saveit 0]

New liners and new piston rings in my opinion

[Will Eastman 6]

Nah not loosing water but i am burning oil. Im thinking i might do a bit of an engine rebuild as it smoke pretty badly and smells of oil. Iv heard its piston rings before. Is this a hard job to just change these and give the engine a quick going over. thanks

[Lan 24 1 Cars]

if your going that far you may aswell do the whole engine

[Will Eastman 6]

Well im not really a mechnic by any means. Very keen though. Duno what do the 'whole engine' means? Im not after tunning just after a nice clean strong engine i dont have to worry bought all the time.

[Lan 24 1 Cars]

sorry that was slightly vague, what I meant is that if your going to do the rings you may aswell rebuild the whole engine as you have to strip it all down anyway

[Will Eastman 6]

Yeh i did kinda know what you mean. Could you possibly tell me the things i should do when i am doing the engine, im really not an engine guy but would love to try to do it. (tell me if you think id be way over my head haha)

[hothatch 2]

Yeh i did kinda know what you mean. Could you possibly tell me the things i should do when i am doing the engine, im really not an engine guy but would love to try to do it. (tell me if you think id be way over my head haha)

 

May as well do, rings, liners, big and main end bearings, crank seal , flywheel seal and have the head done with new stem seals , valves lapped and shimmed and cam oil seals.

 

This does seem daunting but if you have the engine out its not to bad as long as your competent. A haynes manual for your engine will have a step by step guide of how to do everything along with all the torque settings and technical data..

 

It can be expensive mate, not mega money but could go towards other commitments if any its up to you how far you would like to go with it. Hope this helps you. If you need any more info just ask ok bud.

 

Ben

Edited May 20, 2010 by hothatch

[Lan 24 1 Cars]

beaten too it what he said basically

[Will Eastman 6]

Yeh thanks thats really helpful. thanks

[Will Eastman 6]

Hey what will i need to remove from the engine to do all this?? Will i need to lift the engine out or just remove the head??

[Lan 24 1 Cars]

to do all of that, you'll need to remove the engine

[Will Eastman 6]

Damn, if i was just wanting to do a little rebuild, eg not getting the block out of the car, what should i look at doing. I just wana replace the headgasket, piston rings so it will stop smoking and burning oil. Its just im not that confident with this stuff and havnt got huge amounts of cash to blow. Are there any relavent or usfull thread s on this subject, as i cant find any. thanks

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

It sounds liek you may do better to swap it out with another TU engine. There are loads out there including the 106 GTI / Saxo VTS engines which will probably be cheaper than the parts to rebuild the standard engine. Even then, any alloy 1.4 engine would be good and swap over the XS carb

[hothatch 2]

Its not a problem really, you can just remove the head and get that done by a specailist so it saves you the headwork.

 

The piston rings will require you to take the sump off and remove the big end caps to allow you to pull the piston up through the top. You will need a ring compressor to to get the pistons back in with the new rings on. Also get yourself a haynes manual for a step by step guide. When removing the big end caps and shell bearings. Lay them out on cardboard numbered up and ENSURE they go back in exactly the same place because of the wear patterns. There will be no need to renew them if they are not tapping or rattling. This can keep cost down a little. New timing kit and oil filter though mate ok.

 

Type in how to remove pistons on youtube I'm sure some american has made a video, the basics will be the same.

 

Good luck mate.

[Will Eastman 6]

Hey sorry to bring up this whole thread again but summers coming and i still havnt done anything to the engine. Its smoking alot and burning enough oil to make me think of doing some engine work. Anoyingly the car still runs beautifuly and pulls great, so the smoke seems to just an asthetic probleme but oh well. I am thinking that as the engine runs so well i will only change the parts which a likly causing the smoking, eg. (as i have heard) piston rings and stem seals. (Am I right to think these are the offending articles??) To do this will i have to take the whole engine out, as i see this as quite a daunting task, or can i just take the head and the sump of?? The other option would probably to put in a xsi or vts engine (1.6 8v engine) any ideas if anyone would do this for me, and if so how much??

Thanks alot in advance

[allye 530 3 Cars]

(Aesthetic )

 

The cheapest option would be to replace the engine with another TU3s but that may be buggered as well. Why don't you take the head off, check the liners, piston rings etc, I would say its more likely to be stem seals so just a head build. What millage is the engine on? - saying that it could of been thrashed silly for 50,000 miles

 

The above wouldn't cost the earth either if you do it.

[Will Eastman 6]

(Aesthetic )

 

The cheapest option would be to replace the engine with another TU3s but that may be buggered as well. Why don't you take the head off, check the liners, piston rings etc, I would say its more likely to be stem seals so just a head build. What millage is the engine on? - saying that it could of been thrashed silly for 50,000 miles

 

The above wouldn't cost the earth either if you do it.

 

Oh right well if its cheapest to put a new engine in eg. xsi (which would be quicker anyway ) then i might do that, only thing is i really dont think i would be up for doing it myself due to no experience and the whole carb-injection change sounding complex. Roughly how much would i be looking at to buy and get someone to put in a xsi/vts engine? Also..so if i take the head off can i check the piston rings cos the way i thought of it, i had to take them out to have a look, and i thought taking the pistons out involved taking the whole engine out to undo them from the bottom? Shout at me if im completly wrong :s

 

thanks

[allye 530 3 Cars]

You can check the condition to an extent, visually inspecting the liners and giving the pistons a woble, obviously less movement is better. But as you say the only way to know for sure I taking them out. As for the cost of paying a garage to change an engine I don't know as I have always done it myself

 

Changing the engine is the cheapest if you can find one cheap enough, however the cost of rebuilding it will be only slightly more expensive (maybe cheaper if you do it) and you know you will have a engine in good nic'.

 

I bought my rallye with a buggered TU3 engine in it for £400, spent about another £400 doing a partial rebuild and buying an engine, I then knew for sure I had a healthy engine and one in better condition than if I had bought a working Rallye for £800 - if you see what I mean.

 

So it swings and round-abouts really!

[Peetypug 5]

I'd go for the engine upgrade

Saxo vts on your gearbox

I'm sure there will be a project thread somewhere on here

For a few extra quid over what it would cost to rebuild yours, you get about 40bhp

[Will Eastman 6]

Im very confused between the two citroen saxo/peugeot 106 engines, i think id like to stick with 8v as that way it would look exactly the same as the engine already in there so i might be able to get away without mentioning it to the insurance company. How much power does each engine produce n which one would you recomend?

thanks

[allye 530 3 Cars]

If you want an that looks the same you want the earlier type VTR / 106xsi/Rallye black top engine and not the later silver top ones.

[M_R_205 5 1 Cars]

Id say its fairly normal to get some white mist out of the breather, that said it depends how much mist your getting...

 

Deffinatley nothing to worry about,