Xs Disaster...

[miamichris 9]

Just when you think you have a 205 sorted, they turn round and kick you in the balls!

 

Only done the headgasket about 2 weeks ago and the Xs has been going great, was on my way home tonight and halfway up a hill when the STOP, oil pressure and coolant temp warning lights came on. Panicked as I knew straight away I'd lost oil pressure but had to keep going as the hill is quite steep, pulled in and the engine sounded like a tractor when I revved it, so I turned it off and sat at the side of the road in disgust

 

Just finished pulling the sump off to find my oil pump has ate itself, chewed teeth off the sprockets and snapped the chain. Being towed home by my brothers corolla twincam must have been a funny sight though it was grim and managed to break one of my driving lamps when the rope snapped!

 

QUESTIONS:

 

Because I drove on with no oil circulating in the engine, will I have wrecked the bearings? I was thinking of checking them while I have the sump off anyway.

 

Whats the plan of action then, just get a new oil pump, sprocket and chain from peugeot and fit them? New oil and filter obviously but do I need to " flush" the engine with oil in case of any shrapnel from the oil pump?

 

A new oil pump is around £66, the chain is £24 and the sprocket is £6, was quite surprised as they are cheaper than I thought they'd be! Being off the road again is a serious pain in the arse though, as I drive this everyday. Maybe I should just go 16v

 

From a gutted Xs owner, Chris.

[Lan 24 1 Cars]

You'll definitely atleast want the bottom end apart just to check all is good really

[joe1joe 3]

i have had something similar hapen to me after a rebuilt xs lump.

i had a NEW oil pump and one of the bolts holding the pump together (from manufature) came loose and fell into the sump and i went around a bent and bang chain snaped.......... as bolt went between the chain and sproket and the best bit was i wired the bat light and bat light around the wrong way! the engine manged five miles odd with no pressure! and it died when going up a steep hill...

 

to be honest i would have thought it wouldnt have taken long for damage to happen.

but you could always put fresh oil in with a second hand pump??

or do what i did and 16v it!!!

if someone else doesnt have my conversion (who has first refusel) you may be interested!

[CaptainK 11]

Deffo take it apart and have a look. I've gone through two engines now due to oil pressure related problems. You'll deffo need to replace oil pump and so forth and new oil and filter and it'd probably be a good idea to flush it through with some cheap oil - tiny metal fragments might have gone around the engine doing bits of damage and you'll want them out ASAP. Unfortunately for me they had done a lot of damage to my engine and a lot of things internally needed replacing / repairing - but then stupidly I drove mine a fair few miles before it became noticeable to my very novice mechanics mind. I just thought the engine sounded like that.....

 

Good luck with it, fingers crossed you got lucky

[miamichris 9]

Thanks for the advice lads, i'm hoping I get lucky too and haven't wrecked the bearings as I didn't drive very far after the warning lights came on. So fingers crossed, I'll post up some pictures of the damaged pump and sprockets, its a proper oil pump fail and probably down to the way I drive it hard everywhere I go..

 

Got the pump etc. stripped out last night and pulled two of the big end bearings to have a look, haven't a clue what a wrecked bearing looks like so I'll get my brother to cast his mechanics eye over them and give me the verdict. I might just leave the mains and hope for the best, as its a bit more involved taking them out, not like the Xu where the caps just unbolt.

 

Ordered a new oil pump, sprocket, spacer, woodruff key and chain from Peugeot today, £108 all in I think it was, my parts guys are great fellas and should have the bits for Friday and hopefully build it back up over the weekend if the bearings are ok.

 

I will not be beaten by a 205, it will live again!

[miamichris 9]

I will not be beaten by a 205, it will live again!

 

Might be eating my own words soon Big end bearings are wrecked and crankshaft needs reground by the looks of things. Not sure what to do now, or whether its even worth rebuilding, pretty gutted to say the least

 

I assume the main bearings will be wrecked too but is the head likely to be damaged? Think i'm going to pull the engine out at the weekend and put it on the stand to get the crank out. Probably pull the rocker cover to check the camshaft too but i'm reluctant to split the head and block as I only changed the head gasket and bolts for genuine pug ones 3 weeks ago

 

Whats my options here? I know this engine and i've done a lot to it since i've owned the car so that makes me want to rebuild it. Already ordered the new oil pump and bits at £100, a crank regrind could be £60-80 (I think?) and oversize set of bearings will probably cost me £100, thats before I even find anything else wrong with it..

 

Could I use a block from another car such as a saxo vtr or something? Provided my head is ok of course!

 

Get a new engine? The chances of me getting an Xs/Ax gt engine over here in NI are VERY slim, never even seen another Xs on the road! Shipping one over from the mainland would probably be too expensive.

 

So I haven't a clue what to do, any suggestions welcome.

[Lan 24 1 Cars]

if I was in your position i'd just rebuild it all, rule out any possibility of it failing after the new pump and crank regrind, i definitely wouldn't replace the ally block with a iron one

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

Personally I would go for a 106 gti or saxo engine conversion, maybe you could use the new pump etc on it to save wasting them?

[Paulmac19 4]

Hi chris just seen this, dont know if it would be any use to you but could maybe pull you out if suitable

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[danpug 1]

I'd put either a 1.6 8v or 16v in there instead.

[miamichris 9]

Personally I would go for a 106 gti or saxo engine conversion, maybe you could use the new pump etc on it to save wasting them?

 

I'd put either a 1.6 8v or 16v in there instead.

 

Thought of it myself but the wiring scares me off, I know my Xs like the back of my hand so the mechanical side of it doesn't scare me but I can picture myself stuck in a room for weeks trying to figure out the wiring

 

What sort of work is involved and how much do the engines go for usually?

 

Hi chris just seen this, dont know if it would be any use to you but could maybe pull you out if suitable

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Seen that myself Paul, great minds think alike as that has the same engine as mine. Would need to get it a bit cheaper than that really to make it worth my while. Then it would just be a straight forward engine swap and break or scrap the shell, seems the easiest way out for me at the minute.

[danpug 1]

Both engines can be bought for a nice price, i'm not totally sure of all the work involved but its not that bad, theres quite a few threads on here covering it. I'm sure somebody could help you with the wiring.

[miamichris 9]

Both engines can be bought for a nice price, i'm not totally sure of all the work involved but its not that bad, theres quite a few threads on here covering it. I'm sure somebody could help you with the wiring.

 

Thanks Dan, appreciate the advice. I'll have a ring round the local breakers to see if there are any engines in tomorrow, in the meantime I'll have a nosey at a few threads, I remember Jackman did the conversion to his rallye so I'll start there.

 

I just think I've hit a wall with my current engine and to rebuild it is going to cost me £300 upwards, although I've already ordered the oil pump parts! so really i'm still torn as to what to do with it.

[danpug 1]

Is it too late to cancel the parts?

[miamichris 9]

Is it too late to cancel the parts?

 

Yeah, they'll be in tomorrow!

[danpug 1]

Have you actually asked them? They may just charge a re-stocking fee for a cancellation?

[miamichris 9]

Have you actually asked them? They may just charge a re-stocking fee for a cancellation?

 

No, I just figured once I ordered them I had to take them! I'll ring up tomorrow and find out.

 

Might have an engine out of a roland garros, a friend of my brothers has one sitting doing nothing. Also going to look at a 205 gr for sale for £250, if I can talk them down a bit and its in decent nick, I could be dragging the engine out of it

 

Realistically, I've thought about it and I can't start doing a 16v conversion on the Xs as its my daily driver, so need it back on the road asap, plus I already have one project and thats enough at the minute! The plan is to get another 1360 engine and drop it in, its going to be the quickest and easiest way out of the situation for me I think.

Edited July 8, 2010 by miamichris

[Tom Fenton 1,524]

I would find a cheap TU engine to throw in for now, even a 1100cc or 954cc carb will do. Then rebuild your XS engine whilst still having some wheels, then you can put the right engine back in it.

[miamichris 9]

I would find a cheap TU engine to throw in for now, even a 1100cc or 954cc carb will do. Then rebuild your XS engine whilst still having some wheels, then you can put the right engine back in it.

 

Funny you say that Tom, thats what my dad said to do when I told him what happened and thats pretty much what I've decided to do.

 

I'm just off the phone with a fella selling an engine out of a 205 xs with 85,000 on it who's not too far from me, so I'm going to go have a look on saturday to see if it is what it is. Quite hopeful about this one as it could mean I can just rebuild my engine at my own pace so that I'll have a rebuilt and reliable (hopefully!) engine that won't pack up on me again!

 

So quite a positive night really and moving in the right direction towards getting it fixed, think I'll start pulling the engine out after work tomorrow to start the ball rolling, then with a bit of luck I should have an engine on saturday Thanks again for the advice.

[Rupertfinch 6]

Good Lord, I'd just done my usual gumtree trawl for 205's and the like and then read your thread. Initially thought robbing a 'paxo' of its engine would be an idea, but getting it back on the road is the priority. Sensible way forward. looking forward to the re-engining thread.

[miamichris 9]

Well I went to peugeot today and had a bit of a result, couldn't cancel the small parts like chain, sprocket etc. but they took the oil pump back so I came away £55 quid lighter rather than £110!

 

Engine removal will start tonight if I get peace and quiet to head into the garage with a few beers. Then off tomorrow to look at the Xs engine, and if it is indeed an Xs engine then and i'm happy with it, it will be coming home with me and getting fitted when i'm off work on Mon. and Tuesday!

 

Failing that the engine hunt will continue, the roland garros engine was a dead end. But my cousin is a mechanic who worked for citroen and he's having a phone around for me so I think I'll get one alright.

 

Evil plans of aquiring a 106gti/saxo vts engine are still brewing in the back of my mind so I think once this is sorted i'm going to see about getting an engine and figuring the conversion out but first thing first is to get it back on its wheels again!

[batespeed 0]

it doesnt have to be an xs engine, all the alloy block 1360 engines are the same, (apart from oil filters on later ones) the only difference is in the head/cam/distributor/carb which you can swap over from your tu3s.

ive put a tu3s head, carb and bits on a single point injected 1360 iron block Tu3m and it goes like shot off a shiffle ! different head gaskets on iron and alloy blocks though

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

Evil plans of aquiring a 106gti/saxo vts engine are still brewing in the back of my mind so I think once this is sorted i'm going to see about getting an engine and figuring the conversion out but first thing first is to get it back on its wheels again!

 

Do it!! Ultimate Sleeper!!

[miamichris 9]

it doesnt have to be an xs engine, all the alloy block 1360 engines are the same, (apart from oil filters on later ones) the only difference is in the head/cam/distributor/carb which you can swap over from your tu3s.

ive put a tu3s head, carb and bits on a single point injected 1360 iron block Tu3m and it goes like shot off a shiffle ! different head gaskets on iron and alloy blocks though

 

Thanks for that, good to know as I have a suspicion this engine i'm going to see today may be an spi one, from what I can see in the pic. I might just take it anyway though if it looks decent enough.

 

Engines nearly out, pics to follow, just for the record trying to disconnect the lower ball joint when you have the TI poly bushes fitted is a complete arse, they are TIGHT!!

[miamichris 9]

Some pics of the progress..

 

Just after I started :

 

Out!

 

Empty bay

 

Oil pump damage, you can see the chain snapped and both sprockets have chipped teeth:

 

Supposed 205 Xs engine I went to see today was in a 106 and was a kdx, making it a tu3m I think. But the fella selling it was about 17 so it had probably been ragged to death, so it was a "no thanks mate, I'll keep looking"

 

Everywheres shut down now for holidays over here, so I'll be visiting some scrapyards when they open again on wednesday I think on the quest for an engine!

Edited July 10, 2010 by miamichris