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What Gearbox For +400Hp Xu10 Turbo Applications?


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What gearbox are people using?

Engine XU10
Range 400-550hp
Range 500-600 nm

I read some time ago one used the 5 speed Belingo diesel box and shortened the drive shaft and changed to the hydrolic clutch. This box should be ok/good for what I remember - any one with such experience?

Is any of the BE3 boxes used...What you people using?? What is the experience??

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Non of the be boxes will "happily" cope with that kind of power but your first weak point is the standard diff.. Anything other than straight line driving will bend the teeth in a couple of corners.

Even if the diesel box is up to the job the gear ratios won't match very well, too long I think?

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If you can manage the gearbox oil temps they can take quite a bit of power.

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the High boost supercharged 306 gti6's which are 400-450hp run the standard gti6 boxes and as far as im aware noones had one actually fail so far.

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naah, there's been a few failures! but the torque is quite a bit lower and massively linear.

http://www.306gti6.c...d.php?id=149529

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Non of the be boxes will "happily" cope with that kind of power but your first weak point is the standard diff.. Anything other than straight line driving will bend the teeth in a couple of corners.

Even if the diesel box is up to the job the gear ratios won't match very well, too long I think?


What diff are people then using?

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If you can manage the gearbox oil temps they can take quite a bit of power.


that is what I would expect - has anyone been using oilcooler?

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naah, there's been a few failures! but the torque is quite a bit lower and massively linear.

http://www.306gti6.c...d.php?id=149529


I would not expect the 6speed to cope with the torque as well as a 5speed. Usely 6speed "aftermarket" boxes are listed with lower torque ratings than 5speed

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I was running a Bosch oil pump with a 13row cooler I had to fit a thermostat switch or the box was crunchly all the time. settled on a 65degree switch fitted in a drilling in the end on the 6/5 gear housing.

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Can you guyes point me to some running high power/torque - just to see experience/ask what they are using

Anyone using diesel box?

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I was running a Bosch oil pump with a 13row cooler I had to fit a thermostat switch or the box was crunchly all the time. settled on a 65degree switch fitted in a drilling in the end on the 6/5 gear housing.

James


Interesting - what gearbox?
What torque/power?

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ME/ML type from Turbo 8V, V6, T16 etc. is your answer, not BE*.

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Have to agree with petert, ml6 is used on many 170 bhp dw12 engines that have lots of torque and are in heavier vehicles than a 205 wiyhout many known issues.

Diffs are available, shafts are strong, hydro clutch cable shift, same as a v6 conversion

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ME/ML type from Turbo 8V, V6, T16 etc. is your answer, not BE*.

Great thanks - The turbo 8v sounds interesting -> could you be more specific, any experience or application running one of these?

Does the turbo 8v have hydralic clutch?

Is it a direct fit on the XU blok?

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appears they have hydralic clutch and caples for shifting gears ... at least the info I found on google for the ML5
If it (ml5) fits the xu10j2te engine and XU10 T16 I would asume the ML5 would fit the generel XU10 engine

I think this, the ml5, is also on many diesels just other gear ratios - and I would asume this is the one I saw in thread some years back

Not many pictures on google for the ML/ME engines

What is the diffirence between ME and ML?

Anyone fitted on of these and has pictures? specially interested in the caples and hydrolic...

Any pictures much appriciated

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Either ME or ML will fit XU. ME/ML are gearbox types, not engines.

T16(ME)
1. 12x41=3.42
2. 22x40=1.82
3. 28x35=1.25
4. 32x31=0.97
5. 43x33=0.77
final:15x59=3.93

XM V6 (ML5T):
1st 3.251
2nd 1.783
3rd 1.194
4th 0.902
5th 0.733
FD 4.177

XM 2.1TD (ME5)
1st 3.417
2nd 1.994
3rd 1.25
4th 0.882
5th 0.674
FD 3.93

Xantia V6 / 406 V6 (ML5T)
1st 3.251
2nd 1.783
3rd 1.194
4th 0.875
5th 0.702
FD 4.314

Xantia 2.0T (ML5T):
1st 3.250
2nd 1.783
3rd 1.194
4th 0.875
5th 0.702
FD 4.478

XM Turbo CT (ME5)
1st 3.167
2nd 1.818
3rd 1.250
4th 0.969
5th 0.767
FD 4.214

806 2.0T (ML5T)
1st 3.416
2nd 1.818
3rd 1.250
4th 0.969
5th 0.768
FD 4.216

(courtesy Hilgert)

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The V6 Bell housing won;t fit, easy to swap thou

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Either ME or ML will fit XU. ME/ML are gearbox types, not engines.

T16(ME)
1. 12x41=3.42
2. 22x40=1.82
3. 28x35=1.25
4. 32x31=0.97
5. 43x33=0.77
final:15x59=3.93

XM V6 (ML5T):
1st 3.251
2nd 1.783
3rd 1.194
4th 0.902
5th 0.733
FD 4.177

XM 2.1TD (ME5)
1st 3.417
2nd 1.994
3rd 1.25
4th 0.882
5th 0.674
FD 3.93

Xantia V6 / 406 V6 (ML5T)
1st 3.251
2nd 1.783
3rd 1.194
4th 0.875
5th 0.702
FD 4.314

Xantia 2.0T (ML5T):
1st 3.250
2nd 1.783
3rd 1.194
4th 0.875
5th 0.702
FD 4.478

XM Turbo CT (ME5)
1st 3.167
2nd 1.818
3rd 1.250
4th 0.969
5th 0.767
FD 4.214

806 2.0T (ML5T)
1st 3.416
2nd 1.818
3rd 1.250
4th 0.969
5th 0.768
FD 4.216

(courtesy Hilgert)


Great thanks for the info

So the bellhousings for those will fit a XU10 engine .... execpt the one from a V6

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Found this thread, some good info and pictures

http://forum.205gtid...opic=78779&st=0

Seems the diff from the ME/ML boxes are bigger, hence some cutting in the suspension frame at the back would be needed

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To have a ML5 gearbox it fit on a XU engine in a peugeot 205 I assume:

New bracket/flange to hold the box
Hydrolic clutch setup
Caple gear shift setup, including new gear arm setup in cabine
Cutting in suspension frame to clear for larger diff
Cut, shorten and re-weld the larger drive shafts to fit 205

Anything else?, any pictures from anyone?

Is there any difference to gear caple setup on the ML vs. ME boxes - what is the differences?

Thanks