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iv done a quick sarch but not found any thing!
in the new year i want to start road rallying,just not entirely sure how to get started. im after advice on the do's and donts for my car e.g what suspension set up (how low etc),tires (size,road tires or motorsport 1s) engine to use?
my car i will be using started of as a 1.9, it has a 6 point omp cage,309 beam and yoko a539 tires,i might pull the mi out as it not running and fancy using a 1.9 with 1.6 box so i wont be so embaresed being beaten by the more experienced 1s in theyr 1.6s!! any advice on anything will be much appreciated chheers :blush:

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find out the regs of where you want to race, and build to that. its much easyer and cheaper than trying to find a catogory your car fits into after its built

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find out the regs of where you want to race, and build to that. its much easyer and cheaper than trying to find a catogory your car fits into after its built

its the night events that are local to me i want to get into, wher would i look for regulations etc. dont want to start stage rallyin yet i know that gets very expensive!
one other thing i know you have to keep the rear seats etc so im after any weight saving tips that are not that obvious such as i know people trim down thyr doors inside , tips like that are always handy!

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Box
Go for a 4.44 CWP with a std 1900 gearset, this is the best option, 1600 option is a poor option as there is too much drop from 1st to second. Fit it with a Tran X diff if you can afford it. These are the biggest changes for the best money spent on my car. My CWP was 20 and I fitted it to the box myself, Tran X was 410 brand new, but s/h (never had bearings fitted to it)

Tyres
Gravel tyres are the best for Welsh events mostly. Part worn A035 Yoko's or Sp82/84/85 Dunlops. The reinforced sidewalls take some abuse and better grip on muddy whites too. 30 each probably

Suspension
probably junk the 309 rear beam, they're too wide to run gravel tyres. Std 1900 rear beam with bilsteins if you can afford it. Fronts best go for platform adjustable Bilsteins. Unfortunately they're the only thing that will last the pace. Unfortunate- because they're expensive, I sold a good pair for 320 for the fronts. You could do with plating the strut tops too.

Brakes
I think std are fine, run carbon lorraine pads on the front if you're heavy on the brakes or mintex 1144 or pagid fast road (like me) if you're not too hard on the brakes. GTi6 brakes add a lot of unsprung weight. Hydraulic handbrake is useful, not essential tho. Lockwire the rear pads in (as per PTS build manual), they slip out.

Guards
proper PTS (or copy) gravel guard and tank guards, again not cheap but you have peace of mind

Spots
lightforce lights are the thing, I was one of the first (along with Mantamad I believe) to have a set in 2004. Not cheap but way ahead of Cibie Apollo's I had before

Engine
I'm just putting an Mi16 in mine, but a std 8v with good oil pressure is far better then cams and heads and running a std 1600 box with no diff. Sort the box (as above) and the suspension, then bother with the engine if you feel you need to.

Shell
Cage, mount the seats properly, on rails which are reinforced to the sills and tunnel. Run the fuel and brake lines inside. Speare wheel inside and get a decent jack. Not much point in doing all the above and having a std one which takes 5 mins to wind the car up!

I started on std suspenion on my 309, the 4.44 CWP and TranX made the biggest improvements

Have a look here for some ideas http://s188.photobuc...i... Rally Car/

drop me a PM with your email address and I'll send you the PTS build manual and the gearing calculator

Best thing is get along to events and look to see what people have done to their cars

phil

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cheers thats an excellent reply! any 1 ever tell you your a top bloke? :lol:

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First thing is to join a motor club if you have not done so. There are alots of people willing to help you start out. To start off i would just put a sump and tank guard on and get out and do an event (you might not like it).
Road ralling is all about navigation, a standard Gti is more than capable of winning an event. You always see the top boys waiting outside controls, so find yourself a good nav or someone who can read maps when in the car and is good at maths and stick with it.

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And check out the British Rally Forum as it has a section dedicated to Road Rallying HERE you will have to register if you haven't already but most stuff has been covered so well worth it

Be warned though Road Rallying leads to Stage Rallying and then your f***ed, sorry hooked :lol:

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Large and Slippy are both right.
Concentrate on safety, then reliability and then going quicker and you won't go far wrong.
There was talk of a navigators class running in Ross on Wye on the forum recently, might be worth a look. The British Rally Forum

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i think i got a few choices of motor clubs round here il check em out, any 1 on here belong to 1? the closest is lampeter or llandysul.
had a bit of luck today where i was working met this bloke whos got a few 205 and rallys them, gonna try do a deal! hes after a mi engine and 309 beam and he got a non sunroof 1.6 nice and standard seems like the ideal base to get started with!
any ideas what sort of price the gaurds will set me back? sounds like a sensible first mod.
cheers for all the help :lol:

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full price about 200 for a good sump guard and 100 maybe for tank guards. Try AB Motorsport or West Mids MS. Not cheap, then the right kit never is. Come up on ebay from time to time

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full price about 200 for a good sump guard and 100 maybe for tank guards. Try AB Motorsport or West Mids MS. Not cheap, then the right kit never is. Come up on ebay from time to time

phil

cheers phil just found those manuals you sent me gonna heve a good butchers through them! iv seen peter lloyd rallyin do a 6 mm sump guard for 125, are these up to the job and thick enough? any 1 recomend them?

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Some uards for sale HERE down your way ish as well

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I have the Peter Lloyd rallying sump guard and the tank guard and have had no problems. Llandysul is a good club so i hear, If you speek Welsh this is a big help in your part of the world. If you are looking at the Peter Lloyd site have a look at some of the other stuff for the 205 i.e the Challenge spec suspension .

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I have the Peter Lloyd rallying sump guard and the tank guard and have had no problems. Llandysul is a good club so i hear, If you speek Welsh this is a big help in your part of the world. If you are looking at the Peter Lloyd site have a look at some of the other stuff for the 205 i.e the Challenge spec suspension .

thats the 1 thing thats puttin me of going there not being able to speak much welsh! im learning tho :lol: i got some bilstein suspension on my other car which i might be swapping over to start with but the springs on the front are really low so think il change them,i got a couple of sets laying around so just gonna c which set sits the highest just until i can afford a tidy set up.got to get selling a few more things a get the stuff together bit by bit.

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Some uards for sale HERE down your way ish as well


hey thats a good site il have to stick that on favourates, and maybe slap some stuff up there for sale to! :lol:

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180Lb springs from Peter Lloyd 50 for 2 :) .

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180Lb springs from Peter Lloyd 50 for 2 :) .


that sounds like a tidy price! do they fit standard type shocks? not coil overs or adjustable platform types as mine are the standard type

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I am running challenge spec bilstein (look like a std type of shock) so i would think they would be fine but give them a ring and find out.

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I am running challenge spec bilstein (look like a std type of shock) so i would think they would be fine but give them a ring and find out.

nice 1 cheers il give em a bell:D

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I;m building a road rally car too

Lots of good info on www.205cup.com

Cheers John

Edited by Jonny_205, 13 December 2008 - 08:46 PM.