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#41
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It really is your time of the month lol!
All because you can't weld doesn't mean it can't be welded, and depending on the garage might only cost £20, i guess it all comes down the the rest of the condition of that section of the exhaust as to whether its worth it.

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Are lotus bodgers as they glue alloy cars together?
F1 cars run at 195 with clips and tape holding them together-high load
Lots of rifles are bedded into their stocks with titanium putty-high recoil
Etcetc

Traditionally yes gun gums crap but if glues/bonding agents are good enough for NASA (except for disasters) then looking for a chemical fix is not perhaps the same as turning lead into gold (or green if you like blackadder)

Just saying

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Chemical metal the f*** out of it

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THanks for your thoughts on that, along with the arsey sarcastic tone  :) I always find that it helps to establish some of the facts before you go jumping in with both feet. Like....

1) It's a more or less worthless Volvo, the fact it is a 250bhp T5 is neither here nor there

2) Because it's a worthless Volvo and I have other financial priorities in life....like keeping my kids fed and clothed.......yes I have scrimped where necessary.

3) I Have been "shedding" this thing for the last few years, because the plan was to just run it in to the ground as long as I could

4) Since I've now decided to keep it longer I'm no longer scrimping and I have spared "some bucks" bringing it's condition back to scratch, but the exhaust is not an immediate priority compared to other things.

5) As already noted, welding that hole wouldn't be easy and would be a waste of money (since I don't have a welder and can't weld either)

6) I'm not going to put a used box on, for numeroues reasons. Do you want me to make this even more boring than it already is by listing my reasons?

7) My temp fix, which was always intended to be a temp fix, has done what I needed it to do for pennies and little effort. But I guess you are too snobbish to appreciate that, because ooooooh, it's a 250bhp T5 worth about £600!

 

With the greatest of respect, wind yer neck in  ;)

 

P.S. And by the way, yes I did stick in the other half of the epoxy metal after that photo was taken. And went over it with a layer of Gun Gum.

 

I don't see myself as a snob and have been raised in a family where money was an issue and have learned from it. 

Although these cars are cheap to buy, they are not cheap to run (fuel?). That's why they are cheap to buy..  ;)

So if you have 2 grand in the bank, you can only spend 1 grand to buy such car, the other grand will be needed for fixes.

Also let go that the costs of the repairs is almost equal to the worth of the car. The next 600 quid car will need the same money for repairs.

 

I've read the topic and your eagerness to take the advise given (<-sarcastic), makes it easy to predict that you'll keep on stuffing epoxy.

Although you don't have a welder yourself, I cannot imagine that a local shop could bodge it with some metal and a welder for some beer money or 5 tubes of epoxy. 

Relate that money to the fuel a T5 can burn.... 

 

So I'll wind my neck and leave the topic. Will you stop asking for advise that you never intend to take?



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OK, first things first, it's passed the MOT fine this morning with the only advisory on the exhaust being that it's a bit rusty (same advisory for numerous years running). 



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I don't see myself as a snob and have been raised in a family where money was an issue and have learned from it. Same here

Although these cars are cheap to buy, they are not cheap to run (fuel?). That's why they are cheap to buy..  ;) Mine has been very cheap to run in terms of maintenance, although that's partly as I haven't applied the "money no object" approach and have just spent when absolutely essential to safety and reliablity, yet in spite of that it's gone through the MOT first time for the second year running and is generally pretty clean and solid. Yes it's thirsty but I only do ~5k miles PA so I don't see it as an issue. I bought it at a time when I had more disposable income (pre kids) but realistically there's no sense getting rid of it for something cheaper to run as I'd still need to spend out on repairs and maintenance on the next car unless I was supremely lucky in finding a 'shed' that had been fastidiously maintained in it's lifetime.

So if you have 2 grand in the bank, you can only spend 1 grand to buy such car, the other grand will be needed for fixes.

Also let go that the costs of the repairs is almost equal to the worth of the car. The next 600 quid car will need the same money for repairs. 

 

I've read the topic and your eagerness to take the advise given (<-sarcastic), makes it easy to predict that you'll keep on stuffing epoxy. I take advice if the advice has merit. I have not dismissed out of hand anything on this thread, but some suggestions are not suitable under the circumstances. It's that simple. I would keep stuffing epoxy if the hole had not worsened over the last 12 months, because it's a repair that HAS worked for pennies and little time and effort. There's no shame in that, just like plenty of people on this forum have had no shame over the years holding securing numerous parts of their 205s together with cable ties. I will be replacing the exhaust soon as it's plain to see that the hole is getting near to the point of being beyond repair.

Although you don't have a welder yourself, I cannot imagine that a local shop could bodge it with some metal and a welder for some beer money or 5 tubes of epoxy. It's an awkward shape so a plate would have to be formed, and there would have to be a lot cut out to find any fresh metal to weld to. Access would an issue - possibly enough clearance just by lowering it, but if not it would have to come off meaning either cut the box off the mid pipe and weld it back on again after (that'll be fun with all the rust!) or separate it at the front joint behind the cat, which is also rusted to f*** and will put up a fight. When you start to add up the labour, it's no longer a "beer money" job (5 tubes of epoxy is £25 by the way, which won;t get me an hour of labour in most places). Or, just put £2.50 of epoxy on it, at a cost of 1 hour of my time, every few months if necessary. And then replace the whole exhaust later. Hmmm

Relate that money to the fuel a T5 can burn.... I reckon by the time I'd paid for the above I could have filled the Volvo's tank twice which would last me a month and a half. Difference is I actually have to pay for the fuel, it's not optional, whereas spending money on the exhaust is optional.

 

So I'll wind my neck and leave the topic. Will you stop asking for advise that you never intend to take? Nope, I've been on here long enough to know that for every 9 people who give inappropriate advice, it won't be long before someone sensible offers up the golden nugget, because we've got a big enough active membership with good solid practical skills and knowledge. 



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Advice and advise are quite different words

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Advice and advise are quite different words


You're right. I'll pay more attention next time.

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Im just winding you up

Id imagine your English is better than my Dutch :)