Right Clutch For 205 Gti 6 Conversion?

[welshpug 1,626]

Q1 broken 2.0 pull clutch.

 

Q2 yes, missing.

 

Q4 cant tell wihout opening box up and checking at least the cwp ratio.

 

Q3 look at the location of revrse gear, or, look at the casting, it will have be1, 3 or even 4 on it (looks like late be1 or early be3, with "be3" push type fork)

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Thanks Welshpug, you're a fountain of knowledge!

 

Think i best use my own 88 BE1 Gbox which i know its fairly healthy.

 

So i'll (likely) need a MI16 218mm 18 spline "push type" clutch?

 

 

From the images above, am i right in thinking that these two have never been used together? i.e. the Gbox is "push" type, but the clutch on the engine is "pull"? (or have i got it all wrong?

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

The data sheet for the £25 one on ebay

 

http://www.motaquip-ecat.co.uk/xc2_pdfs/File_350022002527.pdf

 

data sheet for a MI16, 2.0

 

http://www.motaquip-ecat.co.uk/XC2_pdfs/File_350022002528.pdf

 

same bearing used as the £25 one, but the other parts/weight/friction material differ.

 

 

So i need a Valeo VCK556 to suit my 1988 BE1 assuming my Gbox is a push type?

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

You need the 555 one, But with a BE1 clutch release bearing unless you have a Mi16 BE1 box which uses the BE3 bearing

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

 

You need the 555 one, But with a BE1 clutch release bearing unless you have a Mi16 BE1 box which uses the BE3 bearing

 

Thanks Miles.

 

Is the bearing something that suffers wear etc and should be replaced as a matter of course?

or is it likely my current bearing could be re-used?

 

If it should be changed, where would i purchase the bearing on its own? (i've tried ECU and GSF but they only seem to do the full kits)

[Anthony 1,000]

Personally, I'd fit a new one unless you know that the existing one is nearly new.

 

They typically last quite well, but for the modest cost of a new one compared to the hassle of dropping the gearbox (and potential damage to the clutch) it is a no brainer to me if you're planning on keeping the car. Do the job once, do it properly and all that.

 

The clutch kit linked to includes a new BE3 push-type release bearing that will suit later 205 GTi, 1.9 Mi16 gearboxes etc.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

You don;t have a bearing from the pic's, The arm in the pic is for a pull clutch where you have to bodge the clutch cable for it to work

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Thanks all for responding.

 

(but still i'm still a bit confused)

 

Ignore my spare Gbox in the pic, as i will use my existing BE1 205 box.

 

Is this right?

 

1. 205GTI with 205 BE1 gearbox can use, http://www.motaquip-...50022002527.pdf (VCK555), with an additional BE1 release bearing.

 

2. 205GTI with 205 BE3 Gbox can use the same, except the bearing can be used from the (VCK555)kit.

 

3. 205GTI with MI-16 BE1 Gbox can use the same, except the bearing can be used from the (VCK555)kit.

 

4. 205GTI with BE1 Gbox, using a MI-16 clutch, still requires a BE1 release bearing.

 

5. 205GTI with BE3 Gbox, using a MI-16 clutch kit, can use the all the bits in the kit.

 

6. Of the BE1 release bearings, is there two types? a push type and a pull type? or is it two different clutch types (i.e. push and pull) and you buy the relevant bearing (if necessary) to suit the type of clutch you choose and Gbox type you have?

 

Is VCK555 a push type clutch and VCK556 a pull type?

 

For gawds sake someone shoot me!

Edited December 19, 2013 by dobboy

[welshpug 1,626]

pull type clutches are BE3 and 4 only, they have specific pressure plates with fixed bearings and specific clutch forks and arms, none of these components are compatible with a PUSH clutch.

Edited December 19, 2013 by welshpug

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

My box was put on to my 16V at the weekend. My box is a 1.9 BE1 (Ph1.5)

 

I had bought and fitted ECP Valeo Pt No. 641545060 (which came with a bearing)to the 16V

 

and also bought an additional ECP Pt No. 644545060 (not sure why)

 

Both new bearings were similar to each other, although the wings were different to the original, and none of them fitted correctly, the little wings didn't seem to click or get held right, and would have meant the bearing would have been sliding about.

 

So the original bearing had to be used.

[Anthony 1,000]

They're both BE3 bearings by the looks of things - that's why they wouldn't fit your BE1 gearbox correctly.

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Thanks Anthony. The LUK's one should have been a BE1 for an 88 car, and i didn't know what i was looking at until i seen the difference when my box was removed from the 1.9.

 

Thanks for clarifying.

[welshpug 1,626]

Mi16 be1 is the same as be3, you need to make sure its a 205 be1 you get, or fit the be3 push type arm if possible.

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Cheers WP, its done now with original bearing on.... and i ain't taking it back off, hopefully not for a while anyway. The additional bearing i ordered should have suited a 205 BE1.

[Anthony 1,000]

If that's the case then it's ECP incorrectly listing things again as it's definately a BE3 bearing that's pictured.

[Mattr5uk 20 5 Cars]

I've just spoken to Ecp as well looks like a later be3 bearing they keep. Does anyone have a part no or know a motor factors that keep them on the shelf?

[Mattr5uk 20 5 Cars]

I've managed to get a Sachs one on order for tomorrow part no 3151841001 (£22 inc) is anyone able to confirm if this looks right as I haven't removed mine yet?

[welshpug 1,626]

who's part number is that?

 

 

2041 29 is the "CLUTCH ON BALL JOINT CONTROL UNTIL DATE 1989 07 01" aka BE1.

 

2041 67 is "- CLUTCH ON AXLE CONTROL SINCE DATE 19890701" aka BE3.

 

 

 

TU in a 205 also uses 2041 67, which is 20.5mm tall.

 

TU5 used an 18.5mm tall bearing, 2041 50, after October 2, 1997 all TU's used this one.

[Mattr5uk 20 5 Cars]

That's from total motor factors hopefully that's for the be1 they have told me it's up to 89 but you know what some part suppliers are like!

[Mattr5uk 20 5 Cars]

This is the bearing and part no on the box for it if anyone else is interested

Edited February 22, 2014 by Mattr5uk

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Can anyone tell me if an Xsara BE4 can be used in conjuntion with BE1 Gbox bits and bobs (and 205 BE3 gear stick) to run a push clutch?

Edited April 27, 2014 by dobboy