steve@cornwall 100 Posted April 6, 2007 Removed the engine from the red cti today.It smoked quite badly when I bought it. The black sootyness disappeared when I changed the breathers, the over rich fuel smell went when I changed the ecu temp sender but, when revved heavily it was giving more white smoke than it should.So, being a little fed up by now,and not really wanting to replace the h/g and/or stem seals, I bought a s/h engine (as other thread). anyway, when I removed the inlet manifold (engine out underneath)- this is what I found http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g279/pug...er/DSC00206.jpg Not only were the injectors fouled by this gasket, there are signs of leakage from the small extra waterway into the ports- guess that would explain a lot Anyway, I'd committed to the engine change and didn't fancy putting it back together "just in case " this was all it needed DOH!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrwn8304 0 Posted April 6, 2007 Gasket looks ok to me. Whats the engine code? Have you bought a new gasket for it yet if so whats the part number? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremy 68 Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) When I did my HG after the cambelt snapped, I was supplied two inlet manifold gaskets in the same pack (direct from Pug iirc), and one was cut out to allow the injectors to do their stuff, however the other one clearly fouled them. I'm not sure why the later one was supplied, perhaps they go to different setups, ie a diesel engine, but like I say i have no idea. Edited April 6, 2007 by jeremy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrwn8304 0 Posted April 6, 2007 Head sets normally do more than 1 car, same as when I done my HG the gasket set label says it does Peugeot / Citroen and Talbot. However looking at the head should there not be a slight oval where the injectors would be to allow a clean flow of fuel through the chamber? I've got an old XU5JA head in the garage along with the remains of the head set I'll check them out tomorrow and post some details back on for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremy 68 Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) However looking at the head should there not be a slight oval where the injectors would be to allow a clean flow of fuel through the chamber? You are most likely right, however iirc the injectors are mounted into the inlet manifold, and not the head itself, so will still foul the gasket. Edited April 6, 2007 by jeremy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrwn8304 0 Posted April 6, 2007 Not if the head should have a recess for the injectors, either that or somewhere along the line someones has changed the injectors / manifold for the wrong ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pug309twin40s 1 Posted April 6, 2007 that inlet gasket would be for an carb xu engine. the gasket for injection engines are the same as that gasket apart from having the injectors bits cut out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremy 68 Posted April 6, 2007 that inlet gasket would be for an carb xu engine. the gasket for injection engines are the same as that gasket apart from having the injectors bits cut out. Yeah I go along with that, as it seems to make complete sence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve@cornwall 100 Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) It's also a paper gasket, whereas the inj. ones are usually self adhesive and rubberised.I'm surprised it ran o.k as I've mistakenly fitted one like this before and it wouldn't rev at all. As said, head sets come with both. More worrying is the question of whether it was allowing water to enter the ports under pressure.I would assume the carb manifold,which I would also assume this gasket is for, has water heating? hence the extra waterways in the head. Maybe another thing to check on before condemning a h/g due to water ingress/steam from exhaust? The car was only ever serviced/worked on by garages with the previous owner so it's not even excuseable diy error. Annoyingly, this would have been noticed very early if I had decided to remove the head. It will be re-attached with good old silicon,with a good dose down the waterways! Always seem to get air leaks with the standard gaskets Edited April 6, 2007 by steve@cornwall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miles 331 1 Cars Posted April 6, 2007 Pauls spot on with the carb gasket as the rest of the set is the same, I'm sure allot of people shouldn;t work on car's.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve@cornwall 100 Posted April 6, 2007 Pauls spot on with the carb gasket as the rest of the set is the same, I'm sure allot of people shouldn;t work on car's.. And I've just admitted to the same mistake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrwn8304 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Just checked my old Cyl Head and the inlet ports are the same as the shape as the that gasket which allows for the injectors so it pointing more towards you've got a carb head on on the block not an injection one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve@cornwall 100 Posted April 7, 2007 Just checked my old Cyl Head and the inlet ports are the same as the shape as the that gasket which allows for the injectors so it pointing more towards you've got a carb head on on the block not an injection one. Head's fine underneath the gasket! proper inj. ports-just someone fitted the wrong gasket Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve@cornwall 100 Posted June 25, 2007 Head's fine underneath the gasket! proper inj. ports-just someone fitted the wrong gasket Due to the planned MI being in need of a rebuild before fitting and the engine in the cti needing serious attention I've fitted this engine to the cti. with some carefully applied instant gasket (loads in the extra waterways) It now runs fine - no smoking at all Good idea to check this gasket before condemning a h/g due to white smoke (steam) from exhaust,then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
